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	<title>Comments on: When your LBS isn&#8217;t good enough any more</title>
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		<title>By: Chain Tensioner 2.0 - blog</title>
		<link>http://www.karlfundenberger.com/blog/when-your-lbs-isnt-good-enough-any-more/comment-page-1/#comment-5443</link>
		<dc:creator>Chain Tensioner 2.0 - blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 17:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here was my first attempt.  I used two eye-bolts, a bracket, and two nuts on the first one.  But that involved a lot of work any time I needed to remove the rear wheel.  And the two eye-bolts took up lots of space on the axle.  So, why not go with just one? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Here was my first attempt.  I used two eye-bolts, a bracket, and two nuts on the first one.  But that involved a lot of work any time I needed to remove the rear wheel.  And the two eye-bolts took up lots of space on the axle.  So, why not go with just one? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: No Name</title>
		<link>http://www.karlfundenberger.com/blog/when-your-lbs-isnt-good-enough-any-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2728</link>
		<dc:creator>No Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, then this must be a BMX specific thing. On most other single speed bikes having the chain so tight that there is no slack when pedaling is not a good idea because it consumes chains, cogs and chain wheels very fast.

I do argue that even on single speeds chain tension is not constant around the whole chain. Common recommendation is that when one pulls the chain up and down in the middle between cog and chain wheel, there should be about an inch of play. This means that when pedaling the bottom of the chain really is slack. 

I do ride single speeds and fixed gears and I have a visible amount of slack on the chain. It is not a problem. Overtightened chain makes the chain stretch fast and a stretched chain eats the gears. The only place where tight chain is needed is where there must be an instant reaction from backpedaling (that would be fixed gear trick riding and fixed gear trial).

I argue that fixed gear commuting is not the kind of riding where instant reaction from backpedaling is an absolutely mandatory feature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, then this must be a BMX specific thing. On most other single speed bikes having the chain so tight that there is no slack when pedaling is not a good idea because it consumes chains, cogs and chain wheels very fast.</p>
<p>I do argue that even on single speeds chain tension is not constant around the whole chain. Common recommendation is that when one pulls the chain up and down in the middle between cog and chain wheel, there should be about an inch of play. This means that when pedaling the bottom of the chain really is slack. </p>
<p>I do ride single speeds and fixed gears and I have a visible amount of slack on the chain. It is not a problem. Overtightened chain makes the chain stretch fast and a stretched chain eats the gears. The only place where tight chain is needed is where there must be an instant reaction from backpedaling (that would be fixed gear trick riding and fixed gear trial).</p>
<p>I argue that fixed gear commuting is not the kind of riding where instant reaction from backpedaling is an absolutely mandatory feature.</p>
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		<title>By: karlman01</title>
		<link>http://www.karlfundenberger.com/blog/when-your-lbs-isnt-good-enough-any-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2682</link>
		<dc:creator>karlman01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip!  I&#039;ll have to check that they&#039;re straight.

A few comments, though: 

On geared bikes, derailleurs do the chain tensioning.  If you ever jam on the pedals hard and suddenly, your derailleur might flop a bit, but the chain as it passes from the derailleur around the cassette should be properly tensioned.  And never on a geared freehweel do you have forces coming from the top of the chainweel backward to the cassette (as opposed to fixed-gear).  The chain is only ever taught on the top (from cassette to chainwheel) when pedaling, and never taught on the bottom (chainweel to derailleur).

On a single speed, your chain tension is constant through the whole chain. Because the chain is a determined length, Any tension or stretch is communicated through the whole chain, without the alleviation of tension that a derailleur provides.

This is why professional BMX bicycles and track racing bicycles come equipped from the factory with chain tensioners or &quot;chain tugs.&quot;  Chain tension is significantly higher on a single-speed.

And finally, 80s 10-speed frames tend to ghost-shift when climbing steep hills, due to frame flex. This problem solved by single-speed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip!  I&#8217;ll have to check that they&#8217;re straight.</p>
<p>A few comments, though: </p>
<p>On geared bikes, derailleurs do the chain tensioning.  If you ever jam on the pedals hard and suddenly, your derailleur might flop a bit, but the chain as it passes from the derailleur around the cassette should be properly tensioned.  And never on a geared freehweel do you have forces coming from the top of the chainweel backward to the cassette (as opposed to fixed-gear).  The chain is only ever taught on the top (from cassette to chainwheel) when pedaling, and never taught on the bottom (chainweel to derailleur).</p>
<p>On a single speed, your chain tension is constant through the whole chain. Because the chain is a determined length, Any tension or stretch is communicated through the whole chain, without the alleviation of tension that a derailleur provides.</p>
<p>This is why professional BMX bicycles and track racing bicycles come equipped from the factory with chain tensioners or &#8220;chain tugs.&#8221;  Chain tension is significantly higher on a single-speed.</p>
<p>And finally, 80s 10-speed frames tend to ghost-shift when climbing steep hills, due to frame flex. This problem solved by single-speed!</p>
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		<title>By: No Name</title>
		<link>http://www.karlfundenberger.com/blog/when-your-lbs-isnt-good-enough-any-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2676</link>
		<dc:creator>No Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slipping drop outs are not common. For example, the top professionals of the 1980&#039;s used quick releases on forward facing drop outs and they did not suffer from slipping rear wheels (even on the steepest climbs on the grand tours).

Usually the reason for slipping rear wheel is that the drop outs are not parallel. If drop outs are not parallel, then the track nuts do not get full grip from the drop out and will slip.

So check that the drop outs are parallel with each other and parallel with the rear wheel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slipping drop outs are not common. For example, the top professionals of the 1980&#8217;s used quick releases on forward facing drop outs and they did not suffer from slipping rear wheels (even on the steepest climbs on the grand tours).</p>
<p>Usually the reason for slipping rear wheel is that the drop outs are not parallel. If drop outs are not parallel, then the track nuts do not get full grip from the drop out and will slip.</p>
<p>So check that the drop outs are parallel with each other and parallel with the rear wheel.</p>
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		<title>By: Chain Tensioner for Forward-Facing Track Dropouts &#124; BikeHacks</title>
		<link>http://www.karlfundenberger.com/blog/when-your-lbs-isnt-good-enough-any-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2675</link>
		<dc:creator>Chain Tensioner for Forward-Facing Track Dropouts &#124; BikeHacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hey, thanks for stopping by! If you&#039;re new here, you may want to subscribe to the RSS feed. You can also subscribe to BikeHacks by email. Thanks for visiting!Karl sent along a hack a while back for a plexiglass fender and now he has another one to pass along. This one is targeted at you single-speeders out there. From his site (full post here): [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hey, thanks for stopping by! If you&#8217;re new here, you may want to subscribe to the RSS feed. You can also subscribe to BikeHacks by email. Thanks for visiting!Karl sent along a hack a while back for a plexiglass fender and now he has another one to pass along. This one is targeted at you single-speeders out there. From his site (full post here): [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bike Hacks : karlfundenberger.com/blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bike Hacks : karlfundenberger.com/blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hadn&#8217;t realized, but I&#8217;m all about the bike hacks: http://www.karlfundenberger.com/blog/?p=82 (built a chain [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] hadn&#8217;t realized, but I&#8217;m all about the bike hacks: <a href="http://www.karlfundenberger.com/blog/?p=82 (built" rel="nofollow">http://www.karlfundenberger.com/blog/?p=82 (built</a> a chain [...]</p>
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		<title>By: wolfy</title>
		<link>http://www.karlfundenberger.com/blog/when-your-lbs-isnt-good-enough-any-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2381</link>
		<dc:creator>wolfy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 02:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good solution. My brother burned off the dropouts on a specialized stumpy and brazed on the forward facing dropouts. He gave the bike to a friend, but  it had always slipped...

-M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good solution. My brother burned off the dropouts on a specialized stumpy and brazed on the forward facing dropouts. He gave the bike to a friend, but  it had always slipped&#8230;</p>
<p>-M</p>
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